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Old September 27th 18, 07:20 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband,uk.misc,uk.politics.misc,uk.finance
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Default Openroach turbo master baiting too busy to install fiber

Openroach turbo master baiting too busy to install fiber
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Openroach (BT - British Telecum) funded by Treasury, DCMS and Ofcum to the
tune of a free lunch amounting 1.6 beeellion has announced
they can no longer accept fiber orders.

That is because as a phone Internet cumpany, just like
cable Internet cumpany (VM), they don't know how
to install fiber Internet like fiber Internet companies
do all day cabling up 4% of UK with fiber.
Companies like Hyperoprick (cherry pickers of fiber
installing only to tower blocks) B4RN, Citifiber, Gigaclear,
M247, Cummunity Fiber (mostly a cherry picking fiber business
model at present cabling up council estates instead of
normal houses) install fiber every day without gov
funding of the 1.6 beellioons handout.

So why does government give in to threats of BT and Openroach
when they could just as well let phone Internet cumpanies
and cable Internet cumpanies all go to the wall,
and let fiber Internet rise from the ashes?

Well its because of deep incestuous recruiting between
Offcum, DCMS and the fscking trolls in BT and Openroach.

These new recruits have no history of dealing with
fiber, its data centres or any idea of fiber as the public notes,
and they are quickly becoming the laughing stock of the
entire establishment.

In the City for example, BT fsckwit of a leader just got sacked.
However BT are replacing that fsckwit with another fsckwit
retired from Offcum. Tis beggars belief!!

The only reason they sacked the fscking idiot is
because he was such a wahananker that trashed BT.
Instead of investing in 20x cheaper fiber, he
continued to master bait with krone tools.

It cannot continue. The City just told the fscktard to go.
But the recruiters are trying to ensure that
the new chief executive is a *fscking* retard from
the old mold with no idea what a fiber is.

Doh!

The result is plain to see. Instead of fitting 3456 core
1.5 inch fiber cables everywhere, Openroach just
told everyone they don't know how to
install fiber and refuse to take any more orders.






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Old September 27th 18, 07:35 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default Openroach turbo master baiting too busy to install fiber

On Thursday, 27 September 2018 18:20:41 UTC+1, 7 wrote:
Openroach turbo master baiting too busy to install fiber
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SNIP wibble.

It cannot continue. The City just told the fscktard to go.
But the recruiters are trying to ensure that
the new chief executive is a *fscking* retard from
the old mold with no idea what a fiber is.

Doh!

The result is plain to see. Instead of fitting 3456 core
1.5 inch fiber cables everywhere, Openroach just
told everyone they don't know how to
install fiber and refuse to take any more orders.


So just remind everyone - what data rate can be [readily] achieved down a single fibre in Tbps?

WTF would anyone be daft enough to install 3456 core fibre cables anywhere [when just a few (for redundancy) would do]?



Hint - some clues here : -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optica...#Record_speeds
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Old September 27th 18, 10:36 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default Openroach turbo master baiting too busy to install fiber

On 27/09/2018 18:35, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
So just remind everyone - what data rate can be [readily] achieved down a single fibre in Tbps?

WTF would anyone be daft enough to install 3456 core fibre cables anywhere [when just a few (for redundancy) would do]?



Hint - some clues here : -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optica...#Record_speeds


Openreach use passive optical splitters so they don't have to have
powered kit scattered about. The bitrate is limited by what the customer
site fibre modems can handle - way below the fibre's limit.

Andy
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Old September 28th 18, 12:32 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default Openroach turbo master baiting too busy to install fiber

On Thursday, 27 September 2018 21:36:01 UTC+1, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 27/09/2018 18:35, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
So just remind everyone - what data rate can be [readily] achieved down a single fibre in Tbps?

WTF would anyone be daft enough to install 3456 core fibre cables anywhere [when just a few (for redundancy) would do]?



Hint - some clues here : -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optica...#Record_speeds


Openreach use passive optical splitters so they don't have to have
powered kit scattered about. The bitrate is limited by what the customer
site fibre modems can handle - way below the fibre's limit.

Andy


Interesting - 10Gbps fibre modems are as opposed to for 1Gbps.

Can they use a diffraction grating to extract multiple beams from the same fibre?
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Old September 28th 18, 06:43 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default Openroach turbo master baiting too busy to install fiber

R. Mark Clayton wrote:


So just remind everyone - what data rate can be [readily] achieved down
a single fibre in Tbps?

WTF would anyone be daft enough to install 3456 core fibre cables
anywhere [when just a few (for redundancy) would do]?



Hint - some clues here : -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optica...#Record_speeds


Openreach use passive optical splitters so they don't have to have
powered kit scattered about. The bitrate is limited by what the customer
site fibre modems can handle - way below the fibre's limit.

Andy


Interesting - 10Gbps fibre modems are as opposed to for 1Gbps.


You Lying Troll!!

Its $9 for 1gbit, and less than $20 for 10gbits

Can they use a diffraction grating to extract multiple beams from the same
fibre?


BWahaha! Say what troll?
Its TDM unless its long haul where fiber is expensive like undersea links.
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Old September 28th 18, 06:47 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default Openroach turbo master baiting too busy to install fiber

R. Mark Clayton wrote:


So just remind everyone


Certainly troll:

Read again troll and weep:

Openroach turbo master baiting too busy to install fiber
--------------------------------------------------------

Openroach (BT - British Telecum) funded by Treasury, DCMS and Ofcum to the
tune of a free lunch amounting 1.6 beeellion has announced
they can no longer accept fiber orders.

That is because as a phone Internet cumpany, just like
cable Internet cumpany (VM), they don't know how
to install fiber Internet like fiber Internet companies
do all day cabling up 4% of UK with fiber.
Companies like Hyperoprick (cherry pickers of fiber
installing only to tower blocks) B4RN, Citifiber, Gigaclear,
M247, Cummunity Fiber (mostly a cherry picking fiber business
model at present cabling up council estates instead of
normal houses) install fiber every day without gov
funding of the 1.6 beellioons handout.

So why does government give in to threats of BT and Openroach
when they could just as well let phone Internet cumpanies
and cable Internet cumpanies all go to the wall,
and let fiber Internet rise from the ashes?

Well its because of deep incestuous recruiting between
Offcum, DCMS and the fscking trolls in BT and Openroach.

These new recruits have no history of dealing with
fiber, its data centres or any idea of fiber as the public notes,
and they are quickly becoming the laughing stock of the
entire establishment.

In the City for example, BT fsckwit of a leader just got sacked.
However BT are replacing that fsckwit with another fsckwit
retired from Offcum. Tis beggars belief!!

The only reason they sacked the fscking idiot is
because he was such a wahananker that trashed BT.
Instead of investing in 20x cheaper fiber, he
continued to master bait with krone tools.

It cannot continue. The City just told the fscktard to go.
But the recruiters are trying to ensure that
the new chief executive is a *fscking* retard from
the old mold with no idea what a fiber is.

Doh!

The result is plain to see. Instead of fitting 3456 core
1.5 inch fiber cables everywhere, Openroach just
told everyone they don't know how to
install fiber and refuse to take any more orders.

  #7  
Old September 28th 18, 10:15 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Vir Campestris
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Default Openroach turbo master baiting too busy to install fiber

On 28/09/2018 11:32, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
Interesting - 10Gbps fibre modems are as opposed to for 1Gbps.

I have no data on that.

Can they use a diffraction grating to extract multiple beams from the same fibre?


It's possible. Whether it's cost effective is another matter. It may be
that all the fibre modems are using the same colour anyway.

Andy
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Old September 30th 18, 01:34 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default Openroach turbo master baiting too busy to install fiber

On Friday, 28 September 2018 21:15:05 UTC+1, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 28/09/2018 11:32, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
Interesting - 10Gbps fibre modems are as opposed to for 1Gbps.

I have no data on that.


I looked it up. 7 seems to have prices for 1k off.


Can they use a diffraction grating to extract multiple beams from the same fibre?


It's possible. Whether it's cost effective is another matter.


A diffraction grating costs pence, however setting it up accurately would be difficult.

It may be that all the fibre modems are using the same colour anyway.


They don't need to be colour sensitive. However this solution has problems in the uplink direction - splitting a beam in the field is probably pretty simple - it could be done in a passive module. Merging them again is very difficult, so the uplink would either be lower bandwidth or by other means (copper).


As 7 sort of points out this is a frequency division multiplex. It might be easier to statistically multiplex 'bundles' of data for the same switch at the exchange and distribute these to high speed switches at the cabinet - these would unbundle for 10Gbps switches to say 100 users or alternatively just lay 8 core fibre (as at present AIUI).

The idea of laying 3456 fibre cables to cabinets that where I am serve at most a few hundred premises is clearly ridiculous.

In any event it is the cost and difficulty of getting the fibres to the premises that is the obstacle. Even if you put them in 10cm deep micro-trenches they will still get severed every time any other utility has to dig up.

Andy


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Old September 30th 18, 07:02 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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Default Openroach turbo master baiting too busy to install fiber


Interesting - 10Gbps fibre modems are as opposed to for 1Gbps.

I have no data on that.


I looked it up. 7 seems to have prices for 1k off.


Can they use a diffraction grating to extract multiple beams from the
same fibre?


It's possible. Whether it's cost effective is another matter.


A diffraction grating costs pence, however setting it up accurately would
be difficult.

It may be that all the fibre modems are using the same colour anyway.


They don't need to be colour sensitive. However this solution has
problems in the uplink direction - splitting a beam in the field is
probably pretty simple - it could be done in a passive module. Merging
them again is very difficult, so the uplink would either be lower
bandwidth or by other means (copper).


As 7 sort of points out this is a frequency division multiplex. It might
be easier to statistically multiplex 'bundles' of data for the same switch
at the exchange and distribute these to high speed switches at the cabinet
- these would unbundle for 10Gbps switches to say 100 users or
alternatively just lay 8 core fibre (as at present AIUI).


That is because you are an Internet troll and have no idea which is cheaper
if any.
None of those are cheap because the cost of buffering 1 second of data
with high speed RAM for multiplexing is enormous.
Better to have direct symmetric gbit Internet without buffering
than buggering up everyone with multiplexing of any kind for FTTP.


The idea of laying 3456 fibre cables to cabinets that where I am serve at
most a few hundred premises is clearly ridiculous.



That is because you are an internet troll and don't know what you want.
Its about $1 per 50 meter per individual fiber cost. So if you got 10,000
people in blocks of flats to connect up, you need 3 of these cables
instead of hundreds of cables because it saves a lot of space, time
and money bringing fiber to an area because nothing else can compete
with it.


In any event it is the cost and difficulty of getting the fibres to the
premises that is the obstacle. Even if you put them in 10cm deep
micro-trenches they will still get severed every time any other utility
has to dig up.


Probably openroach and others have this habit of knocking out
competitor cables. Others use a map and take out insurance
to prove they ain't stupid.


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Old September 30th 18, 08:32 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
R. Mark Clayton[_2_]
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Default Openroach turbo master baiting too busy to install fiber

On Sunday, 30 September 2018 18:02:48 UTC+1, 7 wrote:
Interesting - 10Gbps fibre modems are as opposed to for 1Gbps.

I have no data on that.


I looked it up. 7 seems to have prices for 1k off.


Can they use a diffraction grating to extract multiple beams from the
same fibre?

It's possible. Whether it's cost effective is another matter.


A diffraction grating costs pence, however setting it up accurately would
be difficult.

It may be that all the fibre modems are using the same colour anyway.


They don't need to be colour sensitive. However this solution has
problems in the uplink direction - splitting a beam in the field is
probably pretty simple - it could be done in a passive module. Merging
them again is very difficult, so the uplink would either be lower
bandwidth or by other means (copper).


As 7 sort of points out this is a frequency division multiplex. It might
be easier to statistically multiplex 'bundles' of data for the same switch
at the exchange and distribute these to high speed switches at the cabinet
- these would unbundle for 10Gbps switches to say 100 users or
alternatively just lay 8 core fibre (as at present AIUI).


That is because you are an Internet troll and have no idea which is cheaper
if any.
None of those are cheap because the cost of buffering 1 second of data
with high speed RAM for multiplexing is enormous.


A whole second - how long are your frames? Even then at 100Gbps 1s = ~12..5GB - lets say 16GB including some overheads is about 40.

Of course you clock it in serially and store it in parallel - the late Dr. David Dalzell worked out how to do that [using ECL] 30 years ago, although I easily guessed his method.

Better to have direct symmetric gbit Internet without buffering
than buggering up everyone with multiplexing of any kind for FTTP.


The idea of laying 3456 fibre cables to cabinets that where I am serve at
most a few hundred premises is clearly ridiculous.



That is because you are an internet troll and don't know what you want.
Its about $1 per 50 meter per individual fiber cost. So if you got 10,000
people in blocks of flats to connect up, you need 3 of these cables
instead of hundreds of cables because it saves a lot of space, time
and money bringing fiber to an area because nothing else can compete
with it.


10,000 flats in one place? - even the Barbican ain't that big.

Round here there are FTTP cabinets about 500m from each other, which means that each one has a few hundred premises within an approx 250m radius.

So kilo fibre cables are neither necessary nor even desirable and anyway you still have to get from where you split them (cabinet) to user premises.

BTW yesterday me and a mate were watching the footie on BT TV at full HD - fast moving picture obviously. Unbeknown to me my partner was watching youtube pop videos on my lap top via Wi-Fi and we were surfing on a tablet and an S8 and S9. All on then end of an ~50Mbps link.

Did the picture hiccup - NO.

Where does this requirement for domestic gigabit broad band actually come from? What would subscribers use it for - looks like a solution looking for problem to me!

I wonder how sales at Hyperoptic are going?




In any event it is the cost and difficulty of getting the fibres to the
premises that is the obstacle. Even if you put them in 10cm deep
micro-trenches they will still get severed every time any other utility
has to dig up.


Probably openroach and others have this habit of knocking out
competitor cables. Others use a map and take out insurance
to prove they ain't stupid.


Gas, water, sewers, electric, VM, BT, council traffic light wiring - we have had a problem like that round my way for ages - possibly as long as a whole week...
 




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