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Why choose a smart digital lock?



 
 
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Old October 6th 18, 10:33 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Roderick Stewart
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Default Why choose a smart digital lock?

On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 21:59:40 +0100, MissRiaElaine
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No more access to your home in the event of loss of power?


On the contrary, in the event of loss of power, all the doors open just
in case there is a fire.


So the thief breaks into the garage or shed that has power, causes an
earth leakage fault to trip the house's RCD and bingo, the doors to the
house are unlocked.


I would have assumed that any halfway decent system would have battery
backup from either an internal battery or a UPS somewhere. If I were to
install one, I'd make sure it didn't fail in the event of a power outage.


You'd also have to consider the effect of the owner neglecting to
check the battery, because that's what owners do with things that
don't perform any obvious function for years on end - they forget all
about them and neglect them. I'm not saying there wouldn't be some way
of doing this, but the designer of the system would definitely have to
take it into account, because the owner wouldn't.

Rod.

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Old October 6th 18, 10:42 AM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Roderick Stewart
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On Fri, 05 Oct 2018 22:49:40 +0100, brightside
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These digital smart lock thingys are real good. El Reg reports:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/0...n_screwdriver/


As they say, a chain is only as strong as its weakest link, and it's
easy to become so obsessed with the design of one clever part of a
system that you forget something else and it's all pointless. It's
very instructive to follow the exploits of the lockpicking enthusiasts
on Youtube - Bosnianbill or The Lockpicking Lawyer for example, and
there are others too - as you'll soon realise that even amongst such
banal devices as simple mechanical locks, sometimes the ones that look
most secure are nothing of the sort. No matter how ingenious a lock's
mechanism may be, if you can prise it apart with a pair of spanners
it's a waste of time.

Rod.

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Old October 6th 18, 01:36 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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On 06/10/2018 10:33, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 21:59:40 +0100, MissRiaElaine
wrote:


I would have assumed that any halfway decent system would have battery
backup from either an internal battery or a UPS somewhere. If I were to
install one, I'd make sure it didn't fail in the event of a power outage.


You'd also have to consider the effect of the owner neglecting to
check the battery, because that's what owners do with things that
don't perform any obvious function for years on end - they forget all
about them and neglect them. I'm not saying there wouldn't be some way
of doing this, but the designer of the system would definitely have to
take it into account, because the owner wouldn't.

Rod.


I would. It would be a condition of my buying the product that this was
not only possible but built in to the design. Failing that I would
design and build my own.


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Old October 6th 18, 03:29 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Chris
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Andy Burns wrote:
Chris wrote:

No insurance cover because a flaw let a thief in


When flaws in mechanical locks let thieves in, do insurers welch?


When was the last time a mechanical lock had a systematic flaw? At the very
least you'd expect a refund or recall. For some reason, with IoT junk
there's a different expectation.

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Old October 6th 18, 03:38 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Andy Burns[_5_]
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Chris wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

When flaws in mechanical locks let thieves in, do insurers welch?


When was the last time a mechanical lock had a systematic flaw?


Does being pickable/bumpable/snappable count?
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Old October 6th 18, 03:42 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
R. Mark Clayton[_2_]
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On Friday, 5 October 2018 19:19:54 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
Chris wrote:

No insurance cover because a flaw let a thief in


When flaws in mechanical locks let thieves in, do insurers welch?


No, unless you don't use them or they aren't to the standard required (usually BS3261).

They all have flaws. Some years ago a friend forfeited the lease of a restaurant where the lessee had not paid the rent and probably tried to set fire to it. This required a 24/7 locksmith.

The guy they sent was tattooed and looked like he had just got out of prison. He had a document with him which showed how to identify different types of [mortice] lock and where to drill to disable them.
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Old October 6th 18, 03:47 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
R. Mark Clayton[_2_]
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On Saturday, 6 October 2018 15:29:21 UTC+1, Chris wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
Chris wrote:

No insurance cover because a flaw let a thief in


When flaws in mechanical locks let thieves in, do insurers welch?


When was the last time a mechanical lock had a systematic flaw? At the very
least you'd expect a refund or recall. For some reason, with IoT junk
there's a different expectation.


Euro cylinder locks - thieves discovered how to 'snap' them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqhhXyROxQM

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Old October 7th 18, 12:58 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
Chris
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Andy Burns wrote:
Chris wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

When flaws in mechanical locks let thieves in, do insurers welch?


When was the last time a mechanical lock had a systematic flaw?


Does being pickable/bumpable/snappable count?


Mechanical locks are well understood by consumers and insurers alike.
That's why they specify 5 lever locks on all final exit doors etc. Plus it
doesn't change over the lifetime of the lock.

An IoT lock is an untested product whose attack surface may change
dramatically over its (short) lifetime.

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Old October 7th 18, 06:39 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
R. Mark Clayton[_2_]
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Default Why choose a smart digital lock?

On Saturday, 6 October 2018 15:38:38 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
Chris wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

When flaws in mechanical locks let thieves in, do insurers welch?


When was the last time a mechanical lock had a systematic flaw?


Does being pickable/bumpable/snappable count?


Most locks can be picked eventually by a skilful thief or locksmith. Bumping requires special equipment and / or bump keys, some skill and is noisy. Snapping alas only requires a short length of steel pipe, slightly flattened at one end and any low life can use it.
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Old October 7th 18, 09:50 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
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On 05/10/2018 13:53, wrote:
Smart locks are sure to become every homeowner's favorite. They offer the same level of security as typical mechanical door locks, but provide a range of alternatives to the mechanical key, and a host of other features. Digital locks are changing our lifestyle, leading us to a new digital era of keyless locking!
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Why digital smart lock?
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I was twice called out to a fault at a site getting on for 100 miles
away. On both occasions the line to the site had been lost so it
reported to the large telecom company providing the circuit. There had
been lightning and a strike on their building a few miles away. They
used smart digital locks to access the building through a keypad or
their control centre could remotely unlock the door. But they could not
get into the building or remotely unlock because the lines to the
building and / or termination equipment had been damaged by the
lightning. They were going to have send someone from about another
hundred miles away to unlock the door with a good old fashioned and
RELIABLE key.

 




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