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5G will let users ditch fixed-line home broadband, says Three



 
 
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Old November 8th 18, 10:19 AM posted to uk.telecom.mobile,uk.telecom.broadband
Java Jive
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Default 5G will let users ditch fixed-line home broadband, says Three

5G hyping getting into its stride ...

"5G will let users ditch fixed-line home broadband, says Three"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-46127712

Actually, out here in northern Scotland, 4G could already make my
landline redundant if only there was a suitably priced plan that gave me
unlimited or nearly so download limits, but AFAIAA there isn't.
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Old November 8th 18, 12:41 PM posted to uk.telecom.mobile,uk.telecom.broadband
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Default 5G will let users ditch fixed-line home broadband, says Three

"Java Jive" wrote in message
news
5G hyping getting into its stride ...

"5G will let users ditch fixed-line home broadband, says Three"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-46127712

Actually, out here in northern Scotland, 4G could already make my landline
redundant if only there was a suitably priced plan that gave me unlimited
or nearly so download limits, but AFAIAA there isn't.


Yes there are two critical things that are needed before you can even
*think* about ditching your landline:

- good coverage of mobile signal
- affordable tariff, comparable with what you would pay for landline
broadband

At present we have neither. Mobile coverage, even for simple phone calls,
let alone fast data, is patchy where I live. Mobile data tariffs exist, but
they still tend to be limited in terms of how much data you can access per
month, and they tend to be more expensive.

But this will change.


I just hope that the phone companies don't blow all their money upgrading
mobile/data coverage for the people who already have a fairly fast
connection, and neglect the people in more rural areas who can't even get
100% reliable phone call and slow data coverage.

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Old November 8th 18, 01:05 PM posted to uk.telecom.mobile,uk.telecom.broadband
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Default 5G will let users ditch fixed-line home broadband, says Three

On 08/11/2018 11:41, NY wrote:

I just hope that the phone companies don't blow all their money
upgrading mobile/data coverage for the people who already have a fairly
fast connection, and neglect the people in more rural areas who can't
even get 100% reliable phone call and slow data coverage.


Which, of course, is exactly what will happen under the current
laissez-faire non-management of hands-off-com. What is needed at very
least is a regime where telecoms operators have to finish rolling out nG
to the entire population before they are allowed to commence rolling out
(n+1)G, but this never, ever seems to happen !-(
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Old November 8th 18, 01:30 PM posted to uk.telecom.mobile,uk.telecom.broadband
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Default 5G will let users ditch fixed-line home broadband, says Three

"Java Jive" wrote in message
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On 08/11/2018 11:41, NY wrote:

I just hope that the phone companies don't blow all their money upgrading
mobile/data coverage for the people who already have a fairly fast
connection, and neglect the people in more rural areas who can't even get
100% reliable phone call and slow data coverage.


Which, of course, is exactly what will happen under the current
laissez-faire non-management of hands-off-com. What is needed at very
least is a regime where telecoms operators have to finish rolling out nG
to the entire population before they are allowed to commence rolling out
(n+1)G, but this never, ever seems to happen !-(


Exactly. The same thing applies to HS2: money is being spent ("wasted",
IMHO) giving people in Manchester, Leeds and Birmingham a slightly faster
train service to London, instead of improving the existing service
throughout the UK or opening new lines - apart from in London or in parts of
Scotland where Crossrail and the Waverley line have been (re)opened.

If telephone companies and railway companies won't voluntarily make it the
highest priority to get everyone up to a reasonable level of service, before
starting to get the Chosen Few up to a higher level of service, they should
be compelled to do so by one of the many watchdogs. That always assumes that
the watchdog puts it false teeth back in and actually does its job properly,
baring its teeth at companies that are getting it wrong.

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Old November 8th 18, 03:59 PM posted to uk.telecom.mobile,uk.telecom.broadband
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Default 5G will let users ditch fixed-line home broadband, says Three

5G hyping getting into its stride ...
"5G will let users ditch fixed-line home broadband, says Three"


This is mostly marketing BS, but there is a part of truth in it.
For people living in rented accomodation, signing a contract with a
broadband provider is a nightmare. You can get broadband one month or
two after you moved into the home, just because you need to wait for
an Openreach engineer to plug a cable in the exchange. And they force
people to sign 12-18 month contracts, which is an economic suicide
when a tenancy is about to finish. Keeping the line in a rolling
contract for 6 months is more expensive.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/bills-an...ovide-service/
https://www.choose.co.uk/guide/broad...tion-fees.html
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Old November 8th 18, 04:29 PM posted to uk.telecom.mobile,uk.telecom.broadband
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Default 5G will let users ditch fixed-line home broadband, says Three

On 08/11/2018 09:19, Java Jive wrote:
5G hyping getting into its stride ...

"5G will let users ditch fixed-line home broadband, says Three"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-46127712

Actually, out here in northern Scotland, 4G could already make my
landline redundant if only there was a suitably priced plan that gave me
unlimited or nearly so download limits, but AFAIAA there isn't.


I just don't like the concept of relying on radio connections for
*everything* - there is just a certain satisfying something about a
fixed pair of wires, maybe it's just me.

--
Ria in Aberdeen

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Old November 8th 18, 07:12 PM posted to uk.telecom.mobile,uk.telecom.broadband
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Default 5G will let users ditch fixed-line home broadband, says Three

On 08/11/2018 09:19, Java Jive wrote:
5G hyping getting into its stride ...

"5G will let users ditch fixed-line home broadband, says Three"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-46127712

Actually, out here in northern Scotland, 4G could already make my
landline redundant if only there was a suitably priced plan that gave me
unlimited or nearly so download limits, but AFAIAA there isn't.


Fake news. Oxygen absorption gives 300m range. So each radio modem needs
fiber optic modems 300m apart running at 10GHz. May as well roll out
Internet of fiber first. Connect everyone with $20 SFP 10gbit symmetric
fiber modules at higher speed than 5G, and cheaply at $150 per one off
connection fee, without a 250,000 5G radio modem!
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Old November 8th 18, 09:54 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
R. Mark Clayton[_2_]
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Default 5G will let users ditch fixed-line home broadband, says Three

On Thursday, 8 November 2018 14:59:36 UTC, Alfred wrote:
5G hyping getting into its stride ...
"5G will let users ditch fixed-line home broadband, says Three"


This is mostly marketing BS, but there is a part of truth in it.
For people living in rented accomodation, signing a contract with a
broadband provider is a nightmare. You can get broadband one month or
two after you moved into the home, just because you need to wait for
an Openreach engineer to plug a cable in the exchange. And they force
people to sign 12-18 month contracts, which is an economic suicide
when a tenancy is about to finish. Keeping the line in a rolling
contract for 6 months is more expensive.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/bills-an...ovide-service/
https://www.choose.co.uk/guide/broad...tion-fees.html


AIUI if you move you can transfer the contract.
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Old November 8th 18, 10:03 PM posted to uk.telecom.mobile,uk.telecom.broadband
MissRiaElaine[_2_]
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Default 5G will let users ditch fixed-line home broadband, says Three

On 08/11/2018 14:59, Alfred wrote:
5G hyping getting into its stride ...
"5G will let users ditch fixed-line home broadband, says Three"


This is mostly marketing BS, but there is a part of truth in it.
For people living in rented accomodation, signing a contract with a
broadband provider is a nightmare. You can get broadband one month or
two after you moved into the home, just because you need to wait for
an Openreach engineer to plug a cable in the exchange. And they force
people to sign 12-18 month contracts, which is an economic suicide
when a tenancy is about to finish. Keeping the line in a rolling
contract for 6 months is more expensive.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/bills-an...ovide-service/
https://www.choose.co.uk/guide/broad...tion-fees.html


Our tenancy is a secured one. As long as the rent is paid and there
isn't any anti-social behaviour, we can't be evicted. My other half, who
I moved in with just before we got married, has been here since 1994.

--
Ria in Aberdeen

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Old November 8th 18, 10:04 PM posted to uk.telecom.broadband
R. Mark Clayton[_2_]
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Default 5G will let users ditch fixed-line home broadband, says Three

On Thursday, 8 November 2018 18:12:58 UTC, 7 wrote:
On 08/11/2018 09:19, Java Jive wrote:
5G hyping getting into its stride ...

"5G will let users ditch fixed-line home broadband, says Three"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-46127712

Actually, out here in northern Scotland, 4G could already make my
landline redundant if only there was a suitably priced plan that gave me
unlimited or nearly so download limits, but AFAIAA there isn't.


Fake news. Oxygen absorption gives 300m range. So each radio modem needs
fiber optic modems 300m apart running at 10GHz. May as well roll out
Internet of fiber first. Connect everyone with $20 SFP 10gbit symmetric
fiber modules at higher speed than 5G, and cheaply at $150 per one off
connection fee, without a 250,000 5G radio modem!


You are an absolute mine of mis-information.

Typically 5G operates at 15GHz, whose propagation will be similar to KU band satellite transmissions. I can easily receive very weak (35 - 150W - similar to mobile base stations - 25W) signals at 12G750Hz from 40,000,000m away, with the last several miles through the atmosphere.

Presumably you need a 5G radio modem at each end. Even crApple will have trouble selling phones at 250k each. You seem to have given the development cost or more likely some figure you just made up.
 




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